[3.0] NeverSink's ♣ INDEPTH Tornado&Archer Guide ♣ Beginner friendly ♣ Rapid clear ♣ All bosses

Thanks for replying - nice that you still maintain the thread.

Yeah I expected the reason being something else than DPS.

Life leech, Mana and Puncture. On the other hand higher attack speed has its advantages too - a little bit less reflect, faster reaction time, faster follow up shots to shoot if the first one was no crit. Overall probably just a minor difference and a matter of choice.

However especially in the 1 month league with limited gear options Oak is probably the safer bet ( dont want to have to struggle with gear due to mana short comings ^^ ).

Great build and best guide for it IMHO :) Lets hope it doesnt get nerfed to the ground soon ...

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macexor 님이 작성:

Wow, what a difference!

I'm glad you found some of the advice you've received helpful.

But I ascribe to Neversink's "Teach a Man to Fish" philosophy; most of the questions you'll have will be answered in the first few pages of this excellent guide.

Nonetheless, I feel compelled to offer one last piece of parting advice since I feel responsible for my possibly incomplete suggestions...

With regard to a nice Cast-When-Damage-Taken setup, you'll want to stop leveling the Cast-When-Damage-Taken gem at some point. Why? Because the more you level the CWDT gem, the less often it will proc - it takes more and more damage for the gem to activate as it levels.

For me, and many others, I leave the CWDT gem at level 1; I find that this CWDT gem level is most helpful for me.

Next, note that, for a particular CWDT gem level, there's an associated CWDT supported gem maximum skill level. What this means is that CWDT won't activate Enduring Cry or Immortal Call if the level of these two supported gems exceeds the particular maximum associated with your current CWDT gem. I'd advise you to stop leveling your CWDT gem immediately and only level your Enduring Cry and Immortal Call gems to the level supported by CWDT. Also note that the Increased Duration skill gem isn't affected by this - keep on leveling your Increased Duration gem.

Finally, if you're truly stuck, and if you've read the first few pages or so of this guide, feel free to post any questions you have - we'll be glad to help. The Tornado Shot community - at least insofar as represented in this thread - are friendly and helpful.

Once more, good luck and have fun.

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Tyranastrasz 님이 작성:

What are the thoughts of the more experienced TS players and OP on if or when PCoC is a viable choice as a 5th / 6th link instead of crit dmg gem.

Many crit-based builds are now using a Reduced Mana - Curse On Hit (CoH) - Herald of Thunder (HoT) - Assassin's Mark (AM) setup to generate power charges. As an alternative to equipping Power Charge on Crit (PCoC) you might want to experiment with this.

My own thoughts on the CoH setup...

I found that the CoH setup doesn't work very well until you have 20 quality on your AM gem. Without the quality, power charges drop off way too often.

Another drawback to the CoH setup is that it forces a very fast kill-kill-kill play style; if you like to stop and take your time looting slain mobs and/or cautiously approach the next pack, you'll likely find that the CoH setup isn't very helpful.

Finally, some crit-based builds are using CoH-HoT-Herald of Ice (HoI)-AM; you might find that this gives you more consistent power charges. Personally, I think that this setup is worthwhile only until you can get 20% quality on your AM.

Play around with these... PCoC or CoH-HoT or CoH-HoT-HoI... see what you like best and go with it.

For the record, my 88 ranger on Standard uses CoH-HoT which I find to be best for me; I even went so far as to expensively color my Maligaro's to support this setup.

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Darkaleb 님이 작성:

Hi guys!
Decided to use TS on both AOE and single target, and now i have a 6L free:

do you have any advice on how optimize it?
I was thinking about a 6L CWDT, cause i don't need curse (already use ass mark on herald of thunder) or another particular attack...

Thank you all in advance!

I would look at the Point Blank-Trap setup for another utility shot. Great for handling reflect rares/uniques and Atziri bosses.

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jvtrain 님이 작성:

I would look at the Point Blank-Trap setup for another utility shot. Great for handling reflect rares/uniques and Atziri bosses.

Hello, thanks for your answer! Could you explain me what that setup is?

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Darkaleb 님이 작성:

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jvtrain 님이 작성:

I would look at the Point Blank-Trap setup for another utility shot. Great for handling reflect rares/uniques and Atziri bosses.

Hello, thanks for your answer! Could you explain me what that setup is?

Check the first post for gem details.

The basics are Puncture->Trap->Point Blank->Increased Critical Damage->PPAD->Increased Critical Chance. There are variations substituting Puncture for Burning Arrow and altering support gems to enhance elemental damage. The main purpose of having a PB/Trap setup is when you need to kite bosses while damaging them, dealing with dangerous reflect situations or front loading damage on a boss phase.

Using this gem set up and mechanic is helpful in clearing the Apex of Sacrifice, especially trio and Atziri herself. You can have 3 traps up at one time, so for instance when Atziri summons her 4 copies, you can pre-set 3 traps right at the feet of the copy you want to kill. This will instantly burn a ton of their health as soon as they become damageable and zero chance of damage being reflected. This also works in a much earlier boss situation like Dominus and his minions.

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jvtrain 님이 작성:

The basics are Puncture->Trap->Point Blank->Increased Critical Damage->PPAD->Increased Critical Chance. There are variations substituting Puncture for Burning Arrow and altering support gems to enhance elemental damage. The main purpose of having a PB/Trap setup is when you need to kite bosses while damaging them, dealing with dangerous reflect situations or front loading damage on a boss phase.

Using this gem set up and mechanic is helpful in clearing the Apex of Sacrifice, especially trio and Atziri herself. You can have 3 traps up at one time, so for instance when Atziri summons her 4 copies, you can pre-set 3 traps right at the feet of the copy you want to kill. This will instantly burn a ton of their health as soon as they become damageable and zero chance of damage being reflected. This also works in a much earlier boss situation like Dominus and his minions.

Thank you very much, haven't seen the first post but it seems a really good strategy. I'll try it soon.

2.0 hype!

Let's see what awesome new Toys we'll get

Well written and very fun/informative to read.

I am running Phys TS in the 1MHC.



And this waiting for me at 68.



I am definitely enjoying it, but I feel you definitely have to get the feeling for how much HP you need, and balance that with a good damage output. I tried to rely on just good bows but you do need to strike a balance between going for pure defense nodes and picking up some damage in there.

Am currently 65, and content is cleared quite fast with a lot of safety. I really enjoy evasion, and with my boots/helm I am getting a really decent amount.

But yes, it is viable for 1MHC, but definitely pick up Storm Cloud, Death's Harp to make it comfortable.

Awesome build!

Still working on the windripper variation?:D