[3.0] NeverSink's ♣ INDEPTH Tornado&Archer Guide ♣ Beginner friendly ♣ Rapid clear ♣ All bosses

+1 for separate guide, otherwise he's gonna turn every fresh archer into bow marauder basicaly ;p

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Saranghaeyo_ 님이 작성:

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Panini_aux_olives 님이 작성:

@MortalKombat3: Neversink's tree is not that bad. I have near 5k hp with it. I've tried yours and with same level it's about the same HP amount, but it leaves you with MUCH less increased damage. And yes, these damage nodes matter. Actually, I get more damage from 14+% increased jewel than with 11% crit multi jewel.
I agree however that your tree is original and quite tanky with all the endurance charges you have. It also leaves you with more options for very end game (95-100). It would deserve a dedicated topic imho.

Additional note on the Balistic Mastery route (not for you, MortalKombat3 ;)): it's only good if you want most of the Aspect of the Eagle cluster AND go to Thickness through the Quickness cluster. In all other cases it should be dismissed for shorter paths, as Balistic Mastery and the two 6/2 nodes are quite bad for a bow build.

Think the main thing that is confusing users is the Rampage/Torment gear on the front page tbh

That and I don't believe Neversink is even playing bow ranger this league

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skuadak 님이 작성:

+1 for separate guide, otherwise he's gonna turn every fresh archer into bow marauder basicaly ;p

I originally had plans for 100, not sure now

But Lioneye's Fall tree >>>

I'm still suprised I could lvl up 93-94 in 2.0 with my suicide fury.
I dunno if I understood the point, is it about build issues?

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Saranghaeyo_ 님이 작성:

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skuadak 님이 작성:

I'm still suprised I could lvl up 93-94 in 2.0 with my suicide fury.
I dunno if I understood the point, is it about build issues?

Oh I thought you were talking about the Lioneye's Fall tree

Whoops

I thought about tankiness with sacrifice of damage (but besides that sure it's nice use of L. Falls). This jewell makes me curious more and more (imagine even more damage oO)

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Panini_aux_olives 님이 작성:

@MortalKombat3: Neversink's tree is not that bad. I have near 5k hp with it. I've tried yours and with same level it's about the same HP amount, but it leaves you with MUCH less increased damage. And yes, these damage nodes matter. Actually, I get more damage from 14+% increased jewel than with 11% crit multi jewel.
I agree however that your tree is original and quite tanky with all the endurance charges you have. It also leaves you with more options for very end game (95-100). It would deserve a dedicated topic imho.

Additional note on the Balistic Mastery route (not for you, MortalKombat3 ;)): it's only good if you want most of the Aspect of the Eagle cluster AND go to Thickness through the Quickness cluster. In all other cases it should be dismissed for shorter paths, as Balistic Mastery and the two 6/2 nodes are quite bad for a bow build.

I actually meant my CURRENT tree i play with (you can see it on my Duelist, for Ranger it will be even better) and NOT the one i made for Lioneye's Fall.
My current tree has more HP and life regen, than Neversink's tree even had.
And as i said, i still think my current tree is better exactly because of that reason.

Sorry, i havent seen ANY bow guide, that utilizes Lioneye's Fall well (there was one, but i feel it sucks). I made a decent tree for it myself, and tested charge generation on crit (on Standard). It was good enough to keep charges up all the time, but not enough for CWDT-IC combo, i think.
Sadly, the tree i got had considerably less hp and regen, so i decided to stay with my current build.
That's all story about it.
If one seeks for agressive build though, then my Lioneye's Fall tree will definetely be an option. I agree there should be a separate thread for it, but i can make it myself since i dont play that build.
It will be great if someone actually decides to make a GOOD build for Lioneye's Fall, using my tree, or maybe even a bit enhanced version of it.

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Panini_aux_olives 님이 작성:

The point doesn't concern you as you don't go through Balistic Mastery ;)

It's true that it's not a very good notable for bow build, and the pathing arount is quite crap, but the other option that preserve damage (which MortalKombat3 doesn't advocate) is very similar:

Start with Balistic Mastery: tree
32% increased bow damage
15% increased projectile damage
20% projectile speed (not such a bad mod whith slower proj being used on single target. That may also be the reason why the 6/10 node in fury bolt cluster is preferred over the 10% proj damage node)
28% attack speed
8% move speed.

Start without it: tree
50% increased bow damage
31% attack speed
6% move speed.

Actually, i meant you should skip not just Ballistic Mastery, but also Aspect of the Eagle and Revenge of the hunted. Only skipped together, they provide a good boost to your build, allowing to pick other (more useful for my defensive playstyle) clusters.

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MortalKombat3 님이 작성:

Sorry, i havent seen ANY bow guide, that utilizes Lioneye's Fall well (there was one, but i feel it sucks). I made a decent tree for it myself, and tested charge generation on crit (on Standard). It was good enough to keep charges up all the time, but not enough for CWDT-IC combo, i think.
Sadly, the tree i got had considerably less hp and regen, so i decided to stay with my current build.
That's all story about it.
If one seeks for agressive build though, then my Lioneye's Fall tree will definetely be an option. I agree there should be a separate thread for it, but i can make it myself since i dont play that build.
It will be great if someone actually decides to make a GOOD build for Lioneye's Fall, using my tree, or maybe even a bit enhanced version of it.

To chip in on this interesting discussion about Lioneye's Fall: I'm playing a BoR-Rearguard-Glare Bowrauder using two Lioneye's Falls, one at the Stave slot (like yours) and the other at Golem's Blood. Don't intend to invest too much into it as I don't see it being endmap viable (it probably needs an additional corrupted Glare AND a similarly corrupted Rearguard to be competitive DPS wise). Probably stopping at 84. Just a fun way to level my maurauder after looting two Falls recently.

My grouse about the jewel is that its radius should be large; at least large enough to encompass the start of the mace cluster on the maurauder side and Master of the Arena at the duelist's.

Like your Lioneye's Fall tree build btw.

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Quixote77 님이 작성:

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MortalKombat3 님이 작성:

Sorry, i havent seen ANY bow guide, that utilizes Lioneye's Fall well (there was one, but i feel it sucks). I made a decent tree for it myself, and tested charge generation on crit (on Standard). It was good enough to keep charges up all the time, but not enough for CWDT-IC combo, i think.
Sadly, the tree i got had considerably less hp and regen, so i decided to stay with my current build.
That's all story about it.
If one seeks for agressive build though, then my Lioneye's Fall tree will definetely be an option. I agree there should be a separate thread for it, but i can make it myself since i dont play that build.
It will be great if someone actually decides to make a GOOD build for Lioneye's Fall, using my tree, or maybe even a bit enhanced version of it.

To chip in on this interesting discussion about Lioneye's Fall: I'm playing a BoR-Rearguard-Glare Bowrauder using two Lioneye's Falls, one at the Stave slot (like yours) and the other at Golem's Blood. Don't intend to invest too much into it as I don't see it being endmap viable (it probably needs an additional corrupted Glare AND a similarly corrupted Rearguard to be competitive DPS wise). Probably stopping at 84. Just a fun way to level my maurauder after looting two Falls recently.

My grouse about the jewel is that its radius should be large; at least large enough to encompass the start of the mace cluster on the maurauder side and Master of the Arena at the duelist's.

Like your Lioneye's Fall tree build btw.

I dont think using Lioneye's Fall in Duelist's area can be justified. At least, without buffing its range, like you said.
I feel jewel itself is OK as it is, at least, it unlocks unique playstyle by generating endurance charges on crit with bow, and that's exactly what unique jewel should do.

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MortalKombat3 님이 작성:

I dont think using Lioneye's Fall in Duelist's area can be justified. At least, without buffing its range, like you said.
I feel jewel itself is OK as it is, at least, it unlocks unique playstyle by generating endurance charges on crit with bow, and that's exactly what unique jewel should do.

Yeah, it'd be cool if its radius could unlock the claw and dagger cluster into range, but I suppose they thought it might have been too overpowered. It's just niche, fun and not-so cost effective as it it now.