[2.6] SignalShot™ CI Full Ele Conversion TS/Barrage / Shaper & Uber Deathless / with video!

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Aedre32 님이 작성:
I will agree with Rupenus that this the best bow build out there right now.


It's not. Life is still a lot more stable, but even more expensive as well, because of legacy kaom's. Skyforth are not needed, because it's quite easy to critcap without any power charges, if you are investing in highend-gear anyway. I've played all endgame-builds without mirrored, but close to gear and while the dps-potential is always comparable, but life (+eva/dodge) with acuitys and without relying on power charges is by far the most consistant and stable build.
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basta1982 님이 작성:
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Aedre32 님이 작성:
I will agree with Rupenus that this the best bow build out there right now.


It's not. Life is still a lot more stable, but even more expensive as well, because of legacy kaom's. Skyforth are not needed, because it's quite easy to critcap without any power charges, if you are investing in highend-gear anyway. I've played all endgame-builds without mirrored, but close to gear and while the dps-potential is always comparable, but life (+eva/dodge) with acuitys and without relying on power charges is by far the most consistant and stable build.


i was using leg kaoms too while i was using this build, without acuities though and with retch, that is even better : )

but we are making a build "guide" here, it doesnt make sense to write a "guide" built around legacy items.

blast didn't write this guide to show people the best bow build, the intention here was to create a build where people can use in temp leagues as well as in standard with gg gear.
putting 300ex armor in the middle of a build and centering everything around it, would be a bit pointless idea
"You have great power. You're right to be proud. It's unfortunate you have to die now, but I will honor you with 45% of my strength."
Rupenus#5905 님이 2017. 1. 3. 오전 2:28:26에 마지막으로 편집
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Rupenus 님이 작성:
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basta1982 님이 작성:
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Aedre32 님이 작성:
I will agree with Rupenus that this the best bow build out there right now.


It's not. Life is still a lot more stable, but even more expensive as well, because of legacy kaom's. Skyforth are not needed, because it's quite easy to critcap without any power charges, if you are investing in highend-gear anyway. I've played all endgame-builds without mirrored, but close to gear and while the dps-potential is always comparable, but life (+eva/dodge) with acuitys and without relying on power charges is by far the most consistant and stable build.


i was using leg kaoms too while i was using this build, without acuities though and with retch, that is even better : )

but we are making a build "guide" here, it doesnt make sense to write a "guide" built around legacy items.

blast didn't write this guide to show people the best bow build, the intention here was to create a build where people can use in temp leagues as well as in standard with gg gear.
putting 300ex armor in the middle of a build and centering everything around it, would be a bit pointless idea


My statement was just about the quoted one. The guide has it's use and place for sure.
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Rupenus 님이 작성:

blast didn't write this guide to show people the best bow build, the intention here was to create a build where people can use in temp leagues as well as in standard with gg gear.
putting 300ex armor in the middle of a build and centering everything around it, would be a bit pointless idea


but this build is trash compared to other builds that require less investment in temp leagues. the only way to make this build a "GG bow build" is with legacy and mirrored gear on standard, which is something i dont give a shit about anyways.

don't go spewing out that this build is "budget" viable or "temp league" friendly because it's not. plain and simple. It is not. I have tried both "budget" and mid-tier gear, and all the way up to as high-end gear as I can get on breach and it's still very mediocre. Simply put, I was not satisfied with the way it performed despite the amount of currency I had invested into the build.

I am sure it's great and can replicate what the OP gif shows in standard with a brood twine + other legacy and mirrored gear. But if anyone reading this thinking about trying it on a temp league, please just save yourself some time (a lot of time) and currency (also a lot) and play another build. This shit really isn't all that impressive.
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MFJones#1684 님이 2017. 1. 3. 오전 3:19:39에 마지막으로 편집
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MFJones 님이 작성:
I am sure it's great and can replicate what the OP gif shows in standard with a brood twine + other legacy and mirrored gear. But if anyone reading this thinking about trying it on a temp league, please just save yourself some time (a lot of time) and currency (also a lot) and play another build. This shit really isn't all that impressive.


Agreed. Phys.-(conversion)-Bow-Builds in general start to shine (and overpower any other bow-build), if you got at least great bow and decent jewellery. Doesn't really matter, if es- or life-based in the first place. Obtaining those stuff at temp-leagues isn't something to calculate with since RotC has been nerfed.
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but this build is trash compared to other builds that require less investment in temp leagues. the only way to make this build a "GG bow build" is with legacy and mirrored gear on standard, which is something i dont give a shit about anyways.


you always come to the same point even though people state counter arguments which makes sense. blast killed shaper with 5l rotc too, and blast is only using 36% wed rings(has no flat phys on them even) and his amulet wasnt mirrored. he is my guildmate, i know his gear very well. blast is like 5 times more richer than me, my whole gear while testing the build was mirrored + leg kaoms but he has no single mirrored item besides brood twine.

i see that you tried and you didnt like the build, i respect that.

"You have great power. You're right to be proud. It's unfortunate you have to die now, but I will honor you with 45% of my strength."
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CO_BY#6645 님이 2017. 1. 3. 오전 6:45:47에 마지막으로 편집
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MFJones 님이 작성:
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Rupenus 님이 작성:

blast didn't write this guide to show people the best bow build, the intention here was to create a build where people can use in temp leagues as well as in standard with gg gear.
putting 300ex armor in the middle of a build and centering everything around it, would be a bit pointless idea


but this build is trash compared to other builds that require less investment in temp leagues. the only way to make this build a "GG bow build" is with legacy and mirrored gear on standard, which is something i dont give a shit about anyways.

don't go spewing out that this build is "budget" viable or "temp league" friendly because it's not. plain and simple. It is not. I have tried both "budget" and mid-tier gear, and all the way up to as high-end gear as I can get on breach and it's still very mediocre. Simply put, I was not satisfied with the way it performed despite the amount of currency I had invested into the build.

I am sure it's great and can replicate what the OP gif shows in standard with a brood twine + other legacy and mirrored gear. But if anyone reading this thinking about trying it on a temp league, please just save yourself some time (a lot of time) and currency (also a lot) and play another build. This shit really isn't all that impressive.


in your opinion what makes a build temp league friendly? how can you say this build is mediocre on temp leagues?
I do not get all the hate. I do not play new leagues that much and usually dabble in HC when I do play yet that is due to my time constraints. I could easily enter a new league and make this build work well. It may not be able to melt sharper lol or t-16 bosses like end game gear yet what happened to the old school bow players that know that not every build means standing in front of a boss, etc. and not having to move around, dodge, etc. Cmon people, no pun intended, this build is very new league viable. If you are trying to just follow this guide and tree exactly like the creator/OP then maybe you are not putting enough thought into the mechanics of the build and play style. People that play bow builds have always wanted a viable ES/Ci build. Now you have it. Or you can think out of the box a little and use Life/ES. The conversion from physical to elemental still works fine.

I for one have played so many different builds over the years. Some cookie cutter builds (none of the newer ones with blades and all lol) yet come on. People that say you need 100 ex in a new league to make this build work are just not being truthful. If all you want to do is run up to a boss with no thought about the boss you are fighting and the mechanics of the game then, well, you may be right you do need 100EX + gears yet players that know how to move around, dodge, think about game mechanics, etc. should have no problem making some changes to items and tree issues and making the build work. It may not melt sharper in 15 seconds yet is is very sharper viable.

Sorry to jump in on some of this yet IMO the original creator/poster of the build did a great all around job with how they presented this build.

Just my 2 cents.
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NewbieDOTcom 님이 작성:
I do not get all the hate. I do not play new leagues that much and usually dabble in HC when I do play yet that is due to my time constraints. I could easily enter a new league and make this build work well. It may not be able to melt sharper lol or t-16 bosses like end game gear yet what happened to the old school bow players that know that not every build means standing in front of a boss, etc. and not having to move around, dodge, etc. Cmon people, no pun intended, this build is very new league viable. If you are trying to just follow this guide and tree exactly like the creator/OP then maybe you are not putting enough thought into the mechanics of the build and play style. People that play bow builds have always wanted a viable ES/Ci build. Now you have it. Or you can think out of the box a little and use Life/ES. The conversion from physical to elemental still works fine.

I for one have played so many different builds over the years. Some cookie cutter builds (none of the newer ones with blades and all lol) yet come on. People that say you need 100 ex in a new league to make this build work are just not being truthful. If all you want to do is run up to a boss with no thought about the boss you are fighting and the mechanics of the game then, well, you may be right you do need 100EX + gears yet players that know how to move around, dodge, think about game mechanics, etc. should have no problem making some changes to items and tree issues and making the build work. It may not melt sharper in 15 seconds yet is is very sharper viable.

Sorry to jump in on some of this yet IMO the original creator/poster of the build did a great all around job with how they presented this build.

Just my 2 cents.


This build does melt shaper/t16 bosses, i know this because i am doing it this season, with 70 ex worth of gear including skyforths i farmed enough currency to buy headhunter doing 4-5 minute shaper runs.

Best build ive ever played.

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