[3.x - Discontinued for now] Burning Spectres - Torch the Atlas - HC Shaper, Elder, Uber Atziri

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GreatAlucard 님이 작성:

What exactly is necessary to prevent spectres from dying with this build?

I've seen a lot of people saying that they're pretty much immortal, but for me they're dying on pretty much all maps, and re summoning them is a chore since there are a lot of useless corpses around the ones I actually want to res, preventing me from being able to do it fast.

I'm currently at lvl 72 and I've got all minion nodes on the build, except the last 2 ascendancy points because I didn't do the last lab yet (I'm assuming this is a big factor since it is 100% minion life, but still, most people report their spectres don't even take damage).

My links are as in the OP, I tried using Tukohamas, Wicker mans and Solar Guards, all die very easily, even on T2 maps.

Minion resistances are probably way overboard and the damage appears to be fine (I can do most maps up to where I have them (t7 currently) by summoning random spectres, but the speed is very low because of that)

The Golem and the Animated Guardian never really lost any life by the way.

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GreatAlucard 님이 작성:

I was getting the correct spectre and then reraising them on the hideout, thinking it would work (?), I tried raising them on a map and they now appear to work as intended.

Thank you for the tips.

Edit: My profile shouldn't really be private, characters were hidden (default I think, I never messed with it), so it should be public now (?).

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Wukufyze 님이 작성:

Those of you who are running Flame Golems - have you tried using a Clayshaper for the additional (4th) golem?

I am trying to decide if it's worth it over the Scourge 70% increased damage for minions.

My thinking is that having an additional FG @ level 76 (lvl 21 gem + empower 3) being in a 6 slot may be more damage than Scourge buff.

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Med1umentor 님이 작성:

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Wukufyze 님이 작성:

Those of you who are running Flame Golems - have you tried using a Clayshaper for the additional (4th) golem?

I am trying to decide if it's worth it over the Scourge 70% increased damage for minions.

My thinking is that having an additional FG @ level 76 (lvl 21 gem + empower 3) being in a 6 slot may be more damage than Scourge buff.

For starters, we are not running flame golems like golemansers. Flame golems only acting as suplement for map clearing.

So answer is - definitely NO!

Let's check this from point to point - flame golems needed only for clearing out trash, and 3 golems for that is more than enough. Their clearing speed capped by their AI and additional thing not gonna make it any faster.

For the times when actual damage is needed - our Tukohama's vanguards take them out and will do that MUCH better, and scourge buff actually affect them. And trust me, it's not even a joke to compare flame golems damage and TV damage.

Also, scourge have attack speed for movement skill. That's not even a question.

P.S. And if you want to pretend that spectres actually don't exist, let's make some calculations.
with clayshaper: our 3 golems become 4 golems. Pretty much, 33% MORE damage modificator.
with scourge: we have about 105% increase minion damage from the tree, 90% from ascendancy and about 30% from our gloves and vis mortis.
so final damage after additive modificators are about 325%, with scourge buff it would be 395%.
It's about 22% MORE damage modificator.

Sure it is weaker, but it is IF we only count our golems damage. But our main damage from TV is much greater and it's not even a point of debate now. Clayshaper is bad choice for that build.