[3.10] Gryph's Volatile Dead Necromancer || Fun, Medium Budget, Tanky, Millions of DPS

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Any idea why I seem to cast slower and regain less ES after taking out the jewel?

What is your mana cost? it sounds like you're not proccing on every cast, but rather every other.

139. It seems like I don't generate enough corpses for spirit offering for some reason.

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gvarph 님이 작성:

Any idea why I seem to cast slower and regain less ES after taking out the jewel?

What is your mana cost? it sounds like you're not proccing on every cast, but rather every other.

139. It seems like I don't generate enough corpses for spirit offering for some reason.

Well, at 139 mana cost you deal 556 damage to yourself.

You have some armour, and if you're using soul of gruthkul pantheon that can make it be not enough.

For example 5% from gruthkul alone brings it down to 528 damage. any more and you stop proccing on every cast.

And based on what I saw on your CWDT setups you should be fine for corpses. Definitely a mana cost issue if removing fevered mind messes with it.

Mana cost will go up at level 19 and 21 VD gem level. this should help too.

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Gryphenprey 님이 작성:

Well, at 139 mana cost you deal 556 damage to yourself.

You have some armour, and if you're using soul of gruthkul pantheon that can make it be not enough.

For example 5% from gruthkul alone brings it down to 528 damage. any more and you stop proccing on every cast.

And based on what I saw on your CWDT setups you should be fine for corpses. Definitely a mana cost issue if removing fevered mind messes with it.

Mana cost will go up at level 19 and 21 VD gem level. this should help too.

Turns out it was the soul of Gruthkul

I'm doing LL version just for fun at the moment, just because I accidentally linked my staff that is not yet crafted (just arcane for the time being, which is anyway enough for every single encounter). I'm at 8.2k es with SO up which is all the time, ES regen is over 1k (with CG from Puryfing Flame) and I got plenty of ES leech from gem and tree and WE (15% fire penetration from anger and 30% maximum ES leech recovery from zealotry). Once I level up and get some things here and there I'll be over 8.5k es, near to 9k according to my calculation.

Lastly, to be able to run all auras (discipline, anger, herald of ash and zealotry) we need Charisma Anointing on Presence of Chayula amulet, check my gear.

I prefer also LL version because I hate inherently hybrid, especially those relying on leech, just because it's too much of a hassle, you need to take care of life and es leech as well as chaos resistance. Another advantage is that we got decent chaos resistance and stun immunity.

Here's my planned tree poeurl.com/cApV, remaining points can be dumped into es/str/dex/spell nodes whatever you need, in case somebody wants to build LL version as well.

Here's my current gear (+ Energy From Within jewel of course):

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I'm doing LL version just for fun at the moment, just because I accidentally linked my staff that is not yet crafted (just arcane for the time being, which is anyway enough for every single encounter). I'm at 8.2k es with SO up which is all the time, ES regen is over 1k (with CG from Puryfing Flame) and I got plenty of ES leech from gem and tree and WE (15% fire penetration from anger and 30% maximum ES leech recovery from zealotry). Once I level up and get some things here and there I'll be over 8.5k es, near to 9k according to my calculation.

Lastly, to be able to run all auras (discipline, anger, herald of ash and zealotry) we need Charisma Anointing on Presence of Chayula amulet, check my gear.

I prefer also LL version because I hate inherently hybrid, especially those relying on leech, just because it's too much of a hassle, you need to take care of life and es leech as well as chaos resistance. Another advantage is that we got decent chaos resistance and stun immunity.

Here's my planned tree poeurl.com/cApV, remaining points can be dumped into es/str/dex/spell nodes whatever you need, in case somebody wants to build LL version as well.

Here's my current gear (+ Energy From Within jewel of course):

prefacing this reply with: I love the IDEA of using shavs and going low life, but for the following reasons I have found it lacking. I do think it's a fine avenue to explore and perhaps I haven't yet discovered the best way to incorporate it.

That said, I think we have a different definition of a hassle :P

I have had no problems getting lots of chaos resistance, which yes is mandatory for a hybrid build or it can feel bad when you die randomly to chaos hits.

I do not need anything more that 1 source of life leech for my life recovery though as the majority of hits don't get past my ES and my ES recovery is insane. So the idea that having dual recovery is a hassle is foreign to me.

I have seriously considered using Presence of Chayula on this build as it is a boost to eHP and a lot of chaos res+Stun immunity. But since I have max chaos res and my amulet is my source of leech I haven't done this.

I use poison immune pantheon and other sources of chaos damage basically tickle.

My recovery is such that the only things that can kill me are the ones that one-shot me. And as a hybrid I have close to 11k eHP vs 8-9k on a LL build. I would rather have the bigger health pool.

The other point of contention is that the main draw of shavs in general is pain attunement. 30% more spell damage. Except...

Frenzy Charge Chest is essentially 12% more damage
Get that + Crit is about 18% more

And I can have the 10% of max life as extra ES bench craft which is in and of itself worth about 1k ES.

Additionally, getting good ES gloves with say, the added damage to burning enemies is either insanely expensive or non-existent. That's another 7-8% more damage missed because we have to focus on ES for health pool. Damage-wise it just stops being worth it.

Also socket space has been the biggest challenge for me with this build. Adding a blood magic + another aura....what do you drop?

I am currently using a 6L Curse on Hit setup and dual cursing. I added Enfeeble to my setup because, well, I was able to drop enlighten support when I got


Enfeeble providing an extra layer of defense against the dark arts ;)

Once again, I do want to iterate that I do think it's fine to play LL shavs, it is just not (presently) the best way that I have found. I also encourage people to play the game they want to play it to have fun. This is a game after all.

Hopefully you can take something constructive/useful from this rant.

Side Note: have you tried an ES on Hit watcher's eye? It's insanely strong for Delving in particular compared to the Zealotry mod that you have, which is also quite good.

Thanks for reading my block of text and for playing my build and adapting it to your own style. I love these types of posts the most because it means you're trying new things for yourself.

Appreciate long post ;) I've read it all. I think that at the end dps wise it's more or less the same thing, ll + zealotry, and to be honest if we had 1/3 of that dmg it would still be great. I just wanted my personal take on LL. PoC allows to use Soul of Lunaris pantheon as well, nothing big but much nicer than Brine King.

Getting crit + frenzy on hit on vaal regalia will be so hard. I will mitigate that drawback on LL using https://pathofexile.gamepedia.com/Bottled_Faith flask.

I'm already at 8.5k es, but testing some other stuff, and I just hit with 300 alts and one imprint that I didn't use at the end ;)

There's a chance I'll dump my first maxed zombie/skellie character that has like 70ex gear worth crafted myself on it and will max this out.
I was lucky with first craft for that character as well:


So will have currency to max out LL version, but unfortunatelly I'll be offline for the whole week, business travel.

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ojejku 님이 작성:

Appreciate long post ;) I've read it all. I think that at the end dps wise it's more or less the same thing, ll + zealotry, and to be honest if we had 1/3 of that dmg it would still be great. I just wanted my personal take on LL.

I'm already at 8.5k es, but testing some other stuff, and I just hit with 300 alts and one imprint that I didn't use at the end ;)

There's a chance I'll dump my first maxed zombie/skellie character that has like 70ex gear worth crafted myself on it and will max this out.
I was lucky with first craft for that character as well:

Nice staff! :D

And yeah. I think if you wanna go with shavs, do it up. I personally find it a bit more restricting and (in general) not as budget friendly though.

Maybe try to incorporate a clarity %Max mana as extra max ES watcher's eye into your build if you have the budget for it. Should be good for at least 1k ES.

I updated my previous post a bit ;)

Forgot to ask a question, did you consider crafting 30% chance to deal double damage while focused instead of crit chance for spells? It would be 50 in total, I think Mathil did some math some time ago, when he was playing his shock nova inquisitor and it was just insane burst dmg. I also wish I had another socket in CWDT setup so I could put cold snap to generate frenzies ;) Once I get my hands on that flask I'll swap PF for CS.

Heh, no need to wait, swapped my flask standard sulphur flask, and PF to CS, frenzy generation is just awesome in this build, plus we can spam vaal cold snap now and then! That is another tip to your guide possibly.

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ojejku 님이 작성:

I updated my previous post a bit ;)

Forgot to ask a question, did you consider crafting 30% chance to deal double damage while focused instead of crit chance for spells? It would be 50 in total, I think Mathil did some math some time ago, when he was playing his shock nova inquisitor and it was just insane burst dmg. I also wish I had another socket in CWDT setup so I could put cold snap to generate frenzies ;) Once I get my hands on that flask I'll swap PF for CS.

Heh, no need to wait, swapped my flask standard sulphur flask, and PF to CS, frenzy generation is just awesome in this build, plus we can spam vaal cold snap now and then! That is another tip to your guide possibly.

I did consider it, but then I dislike the Focus mechanic in general. But it's an option if you need to extra delete guardians. ^_^

as for Cold Snap, I like it until you have access to frenzy charge mod on chest.



I am in process of trying to get T1 Spell Crit AND that frenzy mod on a good chest. That would be ideal.

hey,

big thanks for the awesome guidance and idea for that build.

Iam currently still on the first variant, but plan to move into hybrid crit variant. But one question. My PoB Numbers are far far far away from your damage. i dont even have 10% for your damage according to pob.

Could you have a look onto my char pls and tell me if iam missing something elemental ?