[3.0] NeverSink's ♣ INDEPTH Tornado&Archer Guide ♣ Beginner friendly ♣ Rapid clear ♣ All bosses

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illmtk 님이 작성:

Hey guys. Basta1982 mentioned raider being a solid option for scion couple pages back. Would this also be true for a windripper build that is based more on magic find. No maligaro's; twin gold rings and pretty much capped crit using assassin scion. I'm focused on clearing maps as fast as possible as an mf'er. What do you guys think: tossup between raider and deadeye?

Scion is the jack of all trades. There is always something nice for any build with a scion. Is it viable? yes.

However Scion Assasin seems like a bad choice for windripper. You gain a bad way to produce power charges that does not work on bosses and 1% base crit chance (raising you base crit from 9% to 10%). This only makes your increased critical chance items / gems / passives 11% more efficient which is not optimal. The 40% to crit multiplier vs. enemies on full life does not really matter. You will more or less 1 shot trash mobs anyways and vs. bosses it gives you 0 dps.

Deadeye also seems bad (unless you go for Tornado Shot in which base it is decent). Scion-Deadeyes main strengths are the +1 additional projectile and the 50% pierce chance. The Far Shot bonus is only an increased dmg multiplier and not a more damage multiplier (if you are uncertain on what this means look it up).

If I was going for a MF Scion Windripper build I would go for A) Raider for the increased clear speed throught onslaught which is awesome and B) Berserker for the 10% more dmg multiplier and the leech (which frees up passives leech passives) OR Pathfinder which has overall fantastic stats.

Also - Is Scion overall better or just as good as a Shadow / Ranger / Duelist with a Windripper? Well that all depends on the upcoming changes for the passive tree (https://github.com/EmmittJ/PoESkillTree/releases/tag/2.2.4 You can download it here but more changes might come). For instance forces of nature now penetrates elemental resistance :)

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Frankenberry 님이 작성:

However Scion Assasin seems like a bad choice for windripper. You gain a bad way to produce power charges that does not work on bosses and 1% base crit chance (raising you base crit from 9% to 10%). This only makes your increased critical chance items / gems / passives 11% more efficient which is not optimal. The 40% to crit multiplier vs. enemies on full life does not really matter. You will more or less 1 shot trash mobs anyways and vs. bosses it gives you 0 dps.

Honestly, I only picked it because I figured it would fill the crit chance hole as I'm using two gold rings and switching between sadima's for lower maps and facebreakers for higher maps. Just curious what do you think about herald of ice + CoH + AssMark setup? Obviously it gives alot more utility than scion assassin, but the mechanics are the same when generating PCoC which is also useless vs bosses without adds.

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Frankenberry 님이 작성:

Deadeye also seems bad (unless you go for Tornado Shot in which base it is decent). Scion-Deadeyes main strengths are the +1 additional projectile and the 50% pierce chance. The Far Shot bonus is only an increased dmg multiplier and not a more damage multiplier (if you are uncertain on what this means look it up).

I am going Tornado Shot, but it is a shame that it is increased and not more as a scion deadeye and why I was hesitating picking this over raider

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Frankenberry 님이 작성:

Also - Is Scion overall better or just as good as a Shadow / Ranger / Duelist with a Windripper? Well that all depends on the upcoming changes for the passive tree (https://github.com/EmmittJ/PoESkillTree/releases/tag/2.2.4 You can download it here but more changes might come). For instance forces of nature now penetrates elemental resistance :)

Scion is probably sub optimal compared to ranger and shadow if using Neversink's or other cookie cutter windripper trees. My tree utilizes Lioneye's Fall gem so I can spec into the Disemboweling crit nodes neighboring Resolute Technique and the crit staff nodes right above Resolute Technique. This helps me with crit while wearing magic find gear and also getting enough strength nodes to equip a Kaom's chest and why I'm using TS. Raider and Beserker seem like the likely choice then. Spec out of the vitality void and into True Strike to help out with crit.

@ilmmtk
Oh btw. Remember you can only grab one Ascendancy Ranger Class. So for instance you cannot go both Ascendant Deadeye + Raider :( You have to mix it up with other classes.

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Frankenberry 님이 작성:

@ilmmtk
Oh btw. Remember you can only grab one Ascendancy Ranger Class. So for instance you cannot go both Ascendant Deadeye + Raider :( You have to mix it up with other classes.

Yea before it was a tossup between deadeye and raider with assassin. If you believe assassin is not worth it as windripper, I'm going beserker + raider. Thanks for advice(s).

Still cant decide what class I want to pick. Can someone explain me the way Fortify works?

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Invoker33 님이 작성:

Still cant decide what class I want to pick. Can someone explain me the way Fortify works?

http://pathofexile.gamepedia.com/Fortify

I didn't have too much success with this build when I started playing again recently in Warbands. However, I was poor and bad at the game then. Now, I started a new char with this build in the past few days in Talisman while bored and waiting for Ascendency, and it really took off for me after getting 5L's. Rolling along at Lv 87 and I'll continue to push while I wait. Was wrecking T11's at the end of playing last night. Helped along by gear from previous characters (93, 94) this league, biggest purchase I had to make was the bow.



Excited to play Ascendency with this (most likely going Raider) and looking forward to experiencing this build fully geared!

How does the reduced damage taken from Fortify works? Does it count spell damage too?

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Invoker33 님이 작성:

How does the reduced damage taken from Fortify works? Does it count spell damage too?

Yes except for DoT effects. Look at this http://pathofexile.gamepedia.com/index.php?title=Receiving_damage&redirect=no to get a better understanding of how damage is received :)

Really cant decide what I should pick. Deadeye/Raider/Champion...