[3.20] Ice Dancing Queen - Icestorm/Cyclone/CI - Viable For Everything

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DoubleU 님이 작성:

스포일러

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Zuzanne 님이 작성:

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Cjin 님이 작성:

Does it stay if you turn all auras off?

Yeah it's really weird... I unequipped everything, every mtx, just left an amulet to be able to use the skill. I also switched areas.

Is it from the Influence on the Amulet?

No, and I even switched characters. It's interesting that it's occurring only to me. Maybe something is wrong with the staves, they are from Heist.

EDIT: did a Pack Check and used a different staff, no change. q.q Let's hope devs notice my bug report.

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Graiaule 님이 작성:

Given that every league I spend way too much time hunting down and putting in all of my gems, I finally figured out a format that encapsulates every gem the build needs.

See https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1bFun4nVCapeyByRho2GXQKluZnlyC94O54pUMp1Rl6k/edit?usp=sharing

It's read only -- if you want to improve it, make a copy, edit, and then share.

I hope that helps a bit. (I normally try to have all of my gems in my gear by level 40 so they level up properly with me, with the exception of the chest 5L/6L gems.)

Nice done thx. will use it

and also from me. Mines are awful. i use normaly fp but its slow. Are there good ideas for fast lvl besides of mines ?

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ichbinwerichbi 님이 작성:

Nice done thx. will use it

and also from me. Mines are awful. i use normaly fp but its slow. Are there good ideas for fast lvl besides of mines ?

Thanks.

Best I was able to come up with using PoB to optimize damage was:

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frost bomb > arcane surge > added lightning > conc eff > elem focus > inspiration
freezing pulse > arcane surge > added lightning > elem focus

Elem overload 40% more damage so take this early, as well as Ash, Frost, and Storm.

put frost bomb in 6L as you won't have the mana to chain cast 6L freezing pulse

craft added cold/lightning/% incr spell damage as usual
+1 to all cold skill gems on both wands when possible

easiest 3R1B is to do that on Icetomb.
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Go to WI at level 39.

The spreadsheet says controlled destruction, that's an error. I've fixed it.

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Graiaule 님이 작성:

Go to WI at level 39.

39? Nah, start using it right at lv 33. The jump in damage from any early skill is humongous. Intesify - Inspiration - Arcane Surge - CE. You'll just delete bosses.

And buy another staff for Cycloning somewhere around lv 40.

So anyway... After some thinking I looked at the Occultist version and it doesn't seem to be very broken. It can afford to spend 3 points and 1 craft on stun avoidance. Which may or may not be necessary because it's just for bosses (for clearing you can cyclone with ACwC and be immune). Not all bosses stun, and block/spell block will help too.

But the clear speed of Profane Bloom is so tempting. And none of the challenges really require the Ascendant. Some of them are very grindy, and that's where the clear speed will be very useful.

I think I'll go with the Occultist after all. Going to update that version soon.

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Kelvynn 님이 작성:

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Graiaule 님이 작성:

Go to WI at level 39.

39? Nah, start using it right at lv 33. The jump in damage from any early skill is humongous. Intesify - Inspiration - Arcane Surge - CE. You'll just delete bosses.

And buy another staff for Cycloning somewhere around lv 40.

Well, 39 was the sweet spot in previous leagues cuz I could put on icetomb for the str requirement. It's interesting that's changed. Thanks.

P.S. your comment from 3.17 occultist still applies, correct?

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Another difference from the Ascendant is that you don't automatically create consecrated ground, therefore ES regen is too small to matter and Zealot's Oath is not worth a skill point. Ghost Reaver was changed in 3.16 to disable ES recharge. This leaves you with no way to recover ES out of combat. If you are not comfortable with this, don't take Ghost Reaver (but then you lose a lot of leech and need Light Eater). I recommend getting used to Ghost Reaver and not standing on burning ground, etc. It's not hard. You can also carry The Sorrow of the Divine flask as a 'heal'.

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So if you're lazy like me and want a lot of ES regen, might want to stick to Scion. I'd be interested in other commentary -- we have 20 hours to figure out the optimal choice here.

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Graiaule 님이 작성:

P.S. your comment from 3.17 occultist still applies, correct?

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Another difference from the Ascendant is that you don't automatically create consecrated ground, therefore ES regen is too small to matter and Zealot's Oath is not worth a skill point. Ghost Reaver was changed in 3.16 to disable ES recharge. This leaves you with no way to recover ES out of combat. If you are not comfortable with this, don't take Ghost Reaver (but then you lose a lot of leech and need Light Eater). I recommend getting used to Ghost Reaver and not standing on burning ground, etc. It's not hard. You can also carry The Sorrow of the Divine flask as a 'heal'.

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So if you're lazy like me and want a lot of ES regen, might want to stick to Scion. I'd be interested in other commentary -- we have 20 hours to figure out the optimal choice here.

Occultist has no ES regen. It was only a minor inconvenience in 3.16 for me. Don't stand on burning ground out of combat. That's about it. I didn't even bother carrying the Sorrow flask.

Ah. So when you do the lab trials, you unallocate Ghost Reaver?

I confirmed my witch occultist on standard does not regen ES. I had not run witch since well before 3.16, which would explain my surprise.

So an interesting choice.

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Kelvynn 님이 작성:

So anyway... After some thinking I looked at the Occultist version and it doesn't seem to be very broken. It can afford to spend 3 points and 1 craft on stun avoidance. Which may or may not be necessary because it's just for bosses (for clearing you can cyclone with ACwC and be immune). Not all bosses stun, and block/spell block will help too.

But the clear speed of Profane Bloom is so tempting. And none of the challenges really require the Ascendant. Some of them are very grindy, and that's where the clear speed will be very useful.

I think I'll go with the Occultist after all. Going to update that version soon.

Awesome!

So what do we gain from not going ascendant?
-60% curse immunity & 5% ES rege4n from perma consecrated ground
-base ES regen
-5 skill points, which can really help early on with the build once you're using the cluster version.

What do we gain from Occultist:
-Higher PoB damage, but I assume its on par with the loss of the 5 skill points and lack of templar starting node.
-Massive clear speed buff thanks to profane bloom
-Highly unlikely it will be worth the jewel sockets, but we can use forbidden jewels.

Did I miss anything? I remember you did the comparison before 3.17 released and came up to the conclusion occultist had more damage according to PoB.

Mind you for the uber bosses the loss of defenses might be noticable but I think none of that matters as you'll regen like a mad god anyway with leech and the es on hit watchers eye, however I wonder if we will lose the facetank ability and godhood status that we had this league.

We still need to see what scion gets from the new uber forbidden jewels.

I made friends with someone from this thread in 3.17 that rerolled scion to occultist because he couldn't handle the lack of clear speed, he said while clear was a different level he did feel the scion perks being gone such as the extra skill points and survivability.
he reached level 100 this league however.

Maybe you can get some ideas from what he did:
https://www.pathofexile.com/account/view-profile/archwerewolf/characters/
Character is Scarlet_whisp.