[3.20] Ice Dancing Queen - Icestorm/Cyclone/CI - Viable For Everything

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PaleBlueDot413 님이 작성:

This build is pure dog poop.

You're missing 10% int from helm, 12% int and 6% incr attrs from chest, 9% from belt, your rings are meh, you're missing 1% on your staff and you don't have a bossing staff.

As they say, crap in, poop out. Gratz!

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Karan_3 님이 작성:

Is anyone else struggling when fighting uber bosses with this build?
Self casting Ice Storm feels very clunky, am I really supposed to keep channeling and only use Frostblink to dodge every hit? That works well for the normal version of those bosses, but uber bosses usually have reduced cast and attack times.
CoCing makes dodging autohits and mechanics more manageable, but then the already low dps becomes abysmal.

You're not really supposed to dodge unless you have to. This build, if you have some gear, can take a real beating. You just need to trust your defenses and stand there casting the Ice Storm. Your ES leech should keep you topped through most attacks while you do it.

It takes some testing but once you figure out what your character can and can't take, Uber Bosses become pretty easy. Here's some testing I did on Uber Shaper:
https://imgur.com/a/nOo8NaO

And the DPS is hardly bad if you're able to just stand still casting. Intensify drops your DPS a lot if you're running around in panic.

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kriell 님이 작성:

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Karan_3 님이 작성:

Is anyone else struggling when fighting uber bosses with this build?
Self casting Ice Storm feels very clunky, am I really supposed to keep channeling and only use Frostblink to dodge every hit? That works well for the normal version of those bosses, but uber bosses usually have reduced cast and attack times.
CoCing makes dodging autohits and mechanics more manageable, but then the already low dps becomes abysmal.

You're not really supposed to dodge unless you have to. This build, if you have some gear, can take a real beating. You just need to trust your defenses and stand there casting the Ice Storm. Your ES leech should keep you topped through most attacks while you do it.

It takes some testing but once you figure out what your character can and can't take, Uber Bosses become pretty easy. Here's some testing I did on Uber Shaper:
https://imgur.com/a/nOo8NaO

And the DPS is hardly bad if you're able to just stand still casting. Intensify drops your DPS a lot if you're running around in panic.

Wow 22k+ ES is crazy. It already felt great when I reached 12k+, must be super comfy at that level.

How are people playing Blights with this build? Not finding much success there with Whispering Ice. Mostly get overrun as soon as the blight starts with more than 2 different pathways

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Zuuule 님이 작성:

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BowWizard 님이 작성:

"Cast When Damage Taken Support with REQUIRED lv matching Immortal Call, ideally Anomalous 20q"

Does this mean I need the Anomalous version of CwDT, or just Immortal Call should be the Anomalous version ?

I believe he is saying that if you can get both in anomalous that would be the best setup, but not required.

They ain't expensive so I'll grab both. Can't hurt

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kriell 님이 작성:

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Karan_3 님이 작성:

Is anyone else struggling when fighting uber bosses with this build?
Self casting Ice Storm feels very clunky, am I really supposed to keep channeling and only use Frostblink to dodge every hit? That works well for the normal version of those bosses, but uber bosses usually have reduced cast and attack times.
CoCing makes dodging autohits and mechanics more manageable, but then the already low dps becomes abysmal.

You're not really supposed to dodge unless you have to. This build, if you have some gear, can take a real beating. You just need to trust your defenses and stand there casting the Ice Storm. Your ES leech should keep you topped through most attacks while you do it.

It takes some testing but once you figure out what your character can and can't take, Uber Bosses become pretty easy. Here's some testing I did on Uber Shaper:
https://imgur.com/a/nOo8NaO

And the DPS is hardly bad if you're able to just stand still casting. Intensify drops your DPS a lot if you're running around in panic.

What's your build look like if you don't mind sharing ? I'd love to face tank but I can't stand and face bosses for more than 1 hit at most. Character isn't a glass canon but it's not that tanky either. My ES is around 8.7k atm and Int is just over 2k. Getting more is an expensive min-max exercise in Standard.

I also find casting Ice storm manually seems to cause a delay in the response with frostblink and vortex - they seem to take longer than if I'm just cycloning - or is that just my imagination ?

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BowWizard 님이 작성:

What's your build look like if you don't mind sharing ? I'd love to face tank but I can't stand and face bosses for more than 1 hit at most. Character isn't a glass canon but it's not that tanky either. My ES is around 8.7k atm and Int is just over 2k. Getting more is an expensive min-max exercise in Standard.

FYI you can import their character into PoB since it's public, use their account name in the import section. I noticed a big change in survivability when going to 10-11k ES and around 2500 int.

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Tides5 님이 작성:

How are people playing Blights with this build? Not finding much success there with Whispering Ice. Mostly get overrun as soon as the blight starts with more than 2 different pathways

Blight in maps is always hit and miss for me at least at T16 as I don't have enough damage to fully solo the waves and there's often not enough time to get good enough towers. Blighted maps are easy just relying on towers and annointed jewellery - meteor tower burning ground and empower tower increased range. Use level 3 stun tower + level 3 empower and as many meteor towers you can afford. If there are fire or earth immune waves, add in max level lightning and level 3 frost.

I'm playing the occultist version of this as I did the last league. I was planning to add some increased item rarity to the build with rings and item rarity support. I'm wondering how I can add item rarity support to the occultist version.

The occultist has profane bloom as you know and if I support icestorm with iir, I don't think it will trigger off profane bloom explosions. I think my dps is good enough to remove a gem from the weapon and to add item rarity support but I don't know how I can trigger it. Are there any gimmicks I could do to achieve this? Also do you guys have any suggestions on where I can add iir on gear?

Here is my current gear.

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shujaa 님이 작성:

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BowWizard 님이 작성:

What's your build look like if you don't mind sharing ? I'd love to face tank but I can't stand and face bosses for more than 1 hit at most. Character isn't a glass canon but it's not that tanky either. My ES is around 8.7k atm and Int is just over 2k. Getting more is an expensive min-max exercise in Standard.

FYI you can import their character into PoB since it's public, use their account name in the import section. I noticed a big change in survivability when going to 10-11k ES and around 2500 int.

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Tides5 님이 작성:

How are people playing Blights with this build? Not finding much success there with Whispering Ice. Mostly get overrun as soon as the blight starts with more than 2 different pathways

Blight in maps is always hit and miss for me at least at T16 as I don't have enough damage to fully solo the waves and there's often not enough time to get good enough towers. Blighted maps are easy just relying on towers and annointed jewellery - meteor tower burning ground and empower tower increased range. Use level 3 stun tower + level 3 empower and as many meteor towers you can afford. If there are fire or earth immune waves, add in max level lightning and level 3 frost.

Kriell's profile isn't public so I can't import or look at it unfortunately

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BowWizard 님이 작성:

What's your build look like if you don't mind sharing ? I'd love to face tank but I can't stand and face bosses for more than 1 hit at most. Character isn't a glass canon but it's not that tanky either. My ES is around 8.7k atm and Int is just over 2k. Getting more is an expensive min-max exercise in Standard.

I also find casting Ice storm manually seems to cause a delay in the response with frostblink and vortex - they seem to take longer than if I'm just cycloning - or is that just my imagination ?

I thought my profile was public but here's a pastebin. Just tick enemy is a boss/pinnacle boss as appropriate: https://pastebin.com/nQ7ubHYE
Or for a quicker look: https://poe.ninja/challenge/builds/char/kriell/Krielandra

Some changes I made/personal preferences (I like being tanky!):
- I love Enduring Composure ("Gain 1 Endurance Charge every second if you've been Hit Recently"). I use this on every build that doesn't otherwise have end charges. Comes with Armor% Small Cluster Jewels or Megalomaniac. I also picked +1 Endurance Charge near a jewel slot to make it even better.
- I use Determination to have a fair deal of Armor with flasks on. I have a very specific Megalomaniac to make this possible but you can just do it with a combination of a helm enchant, mana res. efficiency, enlighten 4, and discipline ES mastery. This makes Simulacrums etc. a lot easier and helps a bit with Ubers.
- I use expensive Stat Large Clusters (% Spell Damage). Honestly probably not even optimal but they were cheaper than usual this league so I went for them. Easy way of getting lots of resistances too.

As for self-casting being a bit clunky, the Frenzy charges from Raider helped a lot already. So get those Forbidden jewels when you can. Alternatively (or additionally), you could also get the caster node cluster with Mental Rapidity because the Caster Mastery "Spells which gain Intensity have +1 to maximum Intensity" is actually a really nice damage increase while the cast speed is QoL as well.