[3.13] Hemz [CI] Carrion Me Daddy Golems with 83/88/84/100 resistances 10M DPS

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Knitemare 님이 작성:

Hello, I'm doing the scion with bow SO version

Looking for help for making it better

will leave my pob here: https://pastebin.com/P8J4N1cR

any help is highly appreciated

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Turbo32 님이 작성:

But I have a noob question, how do I gain access to POB dev build, I couldn't find anything about it on Google and YT.

Here:
https://github.com/PathOfBuildingCommunity/PathOfBuilding/blob/master/CONTRIBUTING.md


It's difficult to use though. I asked localidentity a lot of questions :\

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Turbo32 님이 작성:

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Knitemare 님이 작성:

Hello, I'm doing the scion with bow SO version

Looking for help for making it better

will leave my pob here: https://pastebin.com/P8J4N1cR

any help is highly appreciated

The problem is, SO are phys based and you don't have a triads but your gems are geared towards elemental dmg, and from experience hybrid dmg are always less.

Two ways to solve this problem

1) loose out on points from medium clusters and get a triad and path of death manually while trying to maintain 400% aura effect

2) Change specters. Find one either that has pure elemental dmg or with built in conversion.
Some of these spectres include:

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Frost auto scouts
Baranite preacher
Scale of Esh
Templar Tacticians
Templar warmaiden
Redemption sentries
Or alternatively you can try a new one to experiment with:
https://poedb.tw/us/mon.php

Other improvements:
- instead of carrion get an AG.

-Get more RMR for more auras instead of

-Every 25% aura effect is a breaking point for more dmg.
you're currently sitting on 389%.
Could alternatively use a skyforth boots and reach 455% aura effect.
Then anomalous grace + lvl4 enhance alone will make u full ele ailment immune.

-I believe using a Generosity over empower on the helm is better in terms of DPS and mana, but less %phys reduction.

-35% clusters with ES for more survivability.

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Also recently I've learn that the difference between a 25% and 35% is a tiny bit bigger than I originally thought.
The 25% make each passive point 7% aura effect.
While 35% will make each point 8% aura effect.

and lastly happy new years.

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Knitemare 님이 작성:

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Turbo32 님이 작성:

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Knitemare 님이 작성:

Hello, I'm doing the scion with bow SO version

Looking for help for making it better

will leave my pob here: https://pastebin.com/P8J4N1cR

any help is highly appreciated

The problem is, SO are phys based and you don't have a triads but your gems are geared towards elemental dmg, and from experience hybrid dmg are always less.

Two ways to solve this problem

1) loose out on points from medium clusters and get a triad and path of death manually while trying to maintain 400% aura effect

2) Change specters. Find one either that has pure elemental dmg or with built in conversion.
Some of these spectres include:

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Frost auto scouts
Baranite preacher
Scale of Esh
Templar Tacticians
Templar warmaiden
Redemption sentries
Or alternatively you can try a new one to experiment with:
https://poedb.tw/us/mon.php

Other improvements:
- instead of carrion get an AG.

-Get more RMR for more auras instead of

-Every 25% aura effect is a breaking point for more dmg.
you're currently sitting on 389%.
Could alternatively use a skyforth boots and reach 455% aura effect.
Then anomalous grace + lvl4 enhance alone will make u full ele ailment immune.

-I believe using a Generosity over empower on the helm is better in terms of DPS and mana, but less %phys reduction.

-35% clusters with ES for more survivability.

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Also recently I've learn that the difference between a 25% and 35% is a tiny bit bigger than I originally thought.
The 25% make each passive point 7% aura effect.
While 35% will make each point 8% aura effect.

and lastly happy new years.

Hey Turbo! Thanks for the quick answer :) I already tried triad gloves and frost auto scouts but I didnt really like them, for now best has been phys SO

which gem changes would you recommend to keep spectres as they are?

Happy new years for you too :)

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Mephisto415 님이 작성:

Got a video uploading on youtube right now of the map I just ran, will post it once it's done rendering.

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Mephisto415 님이 작성:

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Mephisto415 님이 작성:

okay, so after about 450 ex spent acquiring more gear and tinkering with the build yesterday, I've come up with a cold ele conversion SO spectre build I'm pretty happy with (450 ex just getting the stuff required to switch to the cold version, not 450ex total for everything). Just did a t16 100% deli double beyond primordial pools deathless fairly easily, had to return to town twice to resummon spectres though.

Here's the gear:

Clusters

other jewels

running the 3 large cluster setup with renewal and vicious bite, raze and pillage is chosen for the 3rd because it's at the back of the cluster so you don't take it and only spend 5 points total for the 2 good passives and 2 jewel sockets

auras:
hatred
zealotry
flesh and stone
vitality
hatred
precision
POL
POI
POF
grace
haste
discipline
clarity lvl 1 (divergent - allies deal 20% increased dmg when on full mana - I remember someone testing this out on SO at some point in the league and saying it works)

then also aspect of the avian and skitterbots

pros:
dmg is absolute insane with the triple cluster setup and cold conversion. Just melts everything

cons (compared to the "standard" phys version of the build most people are playing):
- maybe a little squishier than my phys set up - about 5700 ES on this one vs 7800 ES on phys setup. This might be offset by the increased dmg so things die faster, not sure yet, need to play more for a better feel
- no head hunter buffs because need to wear the abyss belt for more mana reserved
- have to spend 4 points on a jewel socket for might of the meek for the extra mana reserved to fit all the auras (one reason for less ES in this version, other one being no shaper's touch)
- have to spend an insane amount of currency to get RMR on 8 jewels


overall it's been a fun project and goal to reach - making the money necessary for all the upgrades and something to work towards. Is it worth the extra money compared to the phys version? Hard to say at this point, need to test more.

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Mephisto415 님이 작성:

Got a video uploading on youtube right now of the map I just ran, will post it once it's done rendering.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FN9M4N69dTM

0:04 - Gear
0:30 - Map Mods
4:04 - Omniphobia fight
7:35 - Kosis fight
16:47 - Map Boss
18:00 - Gem Links


had to go back to town twice to resummon spectres. Also didn't have time to full clear alva rooms. Other than that was smooth.

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Turbo32 님이 작성:

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Mephisto415 님이 작성:

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Mephisto415 님이 작성:

okay, so after about 450 ex spent acquiring more gear and tinkering with the build yesterday, I've come up with a cold ele conversion SO spectre build I'm pretty happy with (450 ex just getting the stuff required to switch to the cold version, not 450ex total for everything). Just did a t16 100% deli double beyond primordial pools deathless fairly easily, had to return to town twice to resummon spectres though.

Here's the gear:

Clusters

other jewels

running the 3 large cluster setup with renewal and vicious bite, raze and pillage is chosen for the 3rd because it's at the back of the cluster so you don't take it and only spend 5 points total for the 2 good passives and 2 jewel sockets

auras:
hatred
zealotry
flesh and stone
vitality
hatred
precision
POL
POI
POF
grace
haste
discipline
clarity lvl 1 (divergent - allies deal 20% increased dmg when on full mana - I remember someone testing this out on SO at some point in the league and saying it works)

then also aspect of the avian and skitterbots

pros:
dmg is absolute insane with the triple cluster setup and cold conversion. Just melts everything

cons (compared to the "standard" phys version of the build most people are playing):
- maybe a little squishier than my phys set up - about 5700 ES on this one vs 7800 ES on phys setup. This might be offset by the increased dmg so things die faster, not sure yet, need to play more for a better feel
- no head hunter buffs because need to wear the abyss belt for more mana reserved
- have to spend 4 points on a jewel socket for might of the meek for the extra mana reserved to fit all the auras (one reason for less ES in this version, other one being no shaper's touch)
- have to spend an insane amount of currency to get RMR on 8 jewels


overall it's been a fun project and goal to reach - making the money necessary for all the upgrades and something to work towards. Is it worth the extra money compared to the phys version? Hard to say at this point, need to test more.


Got a video uploading on youtube right now of the map I just ran, will post it once it's done rendering.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FN9M4N69dTM

0:04 - Gear
0:30 - Map Mods
4:04 - Omniphobia fight
7:35 - Kosis fight
16:47 - Map Boss
18:00 - Gem Links


had to go back to town twice to resummon spectres. Also didn't have time to full clear alva rooms. Other than that was smooth.

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Maybe you can consider giving your AG a king maker, the fortify will allow 20% less dmg taken. Might help a little with spectres survival.

Anti ignite and anti shock will help immensely in keeping the minions alive.

Also where is your minion's source of life leech?
Since you don't have feasting fiends anymore on the large clusters, maybe should should get a ghastly eye jewel with minion life leech.

And yes clarity works, I was the person who tested them.

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So I was wondering would Divergent Clarity actually work on FAS specters.

Also if they do work, how effective would it be since they are constantly casting spells, would their mana ever be full?

In short the answer is YES, and FAS and SO permanently have full mana.

As for how I proved it... I did some science.
Basically bought a Pledge of hands and got a 4link.

The idea was since we can't see their mana bars, but we can still see their life bars.
I unskilled and took out all sources of life regen for the minions.
I made sure they had no life regen by letting them take a little dmg and they never recovered.
Only used 1 spectre and the results were:

Frost Auto Scout- Life never drops after attacking
Syndicate Operatives- Life never drops after attacking
Carnage Chieftain - Killed itself

So this proves that both FAS and SO specters doesn't use any mana at all even for their skills. But then this led to a second question, do they even have a mana pool. Does Div clarity it still give them damage boost?

To find out I moved clarity to the 90% quality bow
Ran 10 white cemetery maps with only, 2 FAS spectres.
Controlled destruction for no crit.
Turned off Avian and only ran defensive auras.
5 maps with clarity OFF ====averaged 14 seconds to kill the boss
5 maps with clarity ON ==== averaged 8 seconds to kill the boss

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Turbo32 님이 작성:

To be honest I have never explored hybrid damage, but if you must go that way, I'm thinking maybe you can try apply EE and try apply both ele weakeness and vulnerbility at the same time. but this is very hard to achieve, but could be done with the help of an AG with +1 curse boots and maybe a dual curse glove.

Maybe find a way to add in skitter bots the shock can help inc dmg taken by mobs on both phys and elemental dmg too.

But as for the gems there really isn't much to do.
Unless your willing to heavily invest into a +1 saw and a +2 staff then you can remove the empower in the 6link.

But personally I think best way to make the build better now without too much major changes would be moving on with 35% mediums and getting that last level to achieve 400% aura effect.

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Knitemare 님이 작성:

if you see anything else i could change that i cant see would be really appreciated ^^