[3.0] NeverSink's ♣ INDEPTH Tornado&Archer Guide ♣ Beginner friendly ♣ Rapid clear ♣ All bosses

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bbqmarshal 님이 작성:
As much as i like the build and guide, there is so much confusion goin on here. Some clarifications would be highly appreciated.

So What about Tornado and Deadeye +1 chain? Can anybody out there tell me about the current state? I hear everywhere that its counterproductive due to tornado shot's pierce. Am confused :S

Thanks in advance.

Sorry for bad english


" Pierce
The projectile passes through the enemy and continues along its previous trajectory. Piercing may have less than a 100% chance. Pierce chance is rolled independently for every hit. If a projectile fails to pierce one of the other effects listed in this section may apply. "

found this on wiki page so first pierce roll than fork roll than chain roll

http://pathofexile.gamepedia.com/Projectile
Evil_D_Ark#4264 님이 2016. 3. 8. 오전 6:56:23에 마지막으로 편집
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flyaway_kong 님이 작성:
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Frankenberry 님이 작성:

Yup. Powerful precision works like point blank, so the pierce bonus will never get below 50%.
So either go for 50% extra pierce chance from passives or from gem :)


But:

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Vipermagi 님이 작성:
Powerful Precision does not have a minimum amount of Pierce chance, it'll drop straight to zero if the Projectile remains in flight long enough.


Who is correct?


"Projectiles have 100% additional chance to Pierce targets at the start of their movement, losing this chance as the projectile travels further"
because of these two underlined words, I'm tempted to say it's Frankenberry, despite Vipermagi has very extensive knowledge of game mechanics.

"Additional" means it's a separate stack from "increased" (afaik), and "this" refers to the bonus granted by Powerful Precision.

I'll drop a PM to Vipermagi to have his idea on this.
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Panini_aux_olives#1967 님이 2016. 3. 8. 오전 6:59:54에 마지막으로 편집
"Powerful precision works like point blank, so the pierce bonus will never get below 50%."
...what?

Point Blank starts at +50% Damage and ends at -50% Damage, for a total drop of 100 points.
Now you tell me how you came to the conlusion that this means Powerful Precision, which 'works like Point Blank', should only drop by 50 points total instead.

I see no reason whatsoever to assume that Powerful Precision caps at 50% Pierce chance.

If you have 50% Pierce elsewhere, from the Pierce gem for example, then your total Pierce won't drop below 50% - but PP's bonus will go from 100 to 0 still.
Vipermagi#0984 님이 2016. 3. 8. 오전 8:09:00에 마지막으로 편집
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Vipermagi 님이 작성:
... the Pierce gem for example, then your total Pierce won't drop below 50% - but PP's bonus will go from 100 to 0 still.
That's exactly what we wanted to know.
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When two witches watch two watches, which witch watches which watch?
If the witches watching watches watch the same watch while you watch which witch watches which watch, they switch watches; then, the watch switching witches watch which watch you watch.
Watching witches watch watches is not for the faint of heart...
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bbqmarshal 님이 작성:
As much as i like the build and guide, there is so much confusion goin on here. Some clarifications would be highly appreciated.

So What about Tornado and Deadeye +1 chain? Can anybody out there tell me about the current state? I hear everywhere that its counterproductive due to tornado shot's pierce. Am confused :S

Thanks in advance.

Sorry for bad english


I just picked up +1 chain on my TS Dead Eye. It is VERY powerful. Its not the original projectiles that chain. Its the projectiles from the arrow "explosions."

There are better options if your going for Drillneck + Pierce, but I am VERY happy with +Chain thus far.
Got the secondary Tornado Shot Projectile on my Helmet today, can someone tell me how strong thisone is?
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Noctis_Tim 님이 작성:
Got the secondary Tornado Shot Projectile on my Helmet today, can someone tell me how strong thisone is?


http://pathofexile.gamepedia.com/Tornado_Shot

Subprojectiles: Upon reaching the targeted location, Tornado Shot's projectile explodes and fires three subprojectile arrows in random directions. No target can be hit by more than one subprojectile released in this manner.

Yours now does more than 3 subprojectiles. Needless to say this is super strong. It is huge AoE boost.
Frankenberry#0590 님이 2016. 3. 8. 오전 10:07:42에 마지막으로 편집
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Vipermagi 님이 작성:
"Powerful precision works like point blank, so the pierce bonus will never get below 50%."
...what?

Point Blank starts at +50% Damage and ends at -50% Damage, for a total drop of 100 points.
Now you tell me how you came to the conlusion that this means Powerful Precision, which 'works like Point Blank', should only drop by 50 points total instead.

I see no reason whatsoever to assume that Powerful Precision caps at 50% Pierce chance.

If you have 50% Pierce elsewhere, from the Pierce gem for example, then your total Pierce won't drop below 50% - but PP's bonus will go from 100 to 0 still.


https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1595572
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Vipermagi 님이 작성:
Even if you have 0% Pierce from the tree, you will have 100% Pierce from Powerful Precision at point-blank range. PP's bonus diminishes with distance, so getting Pierce elsewhere makes the 100%-Pierce range bigger (and you'll never drop below that 50%).

1:1. Pierce caps at 100% chance, thus the Crit Chance also caps at 100%.


I read your post again and now see what you mean.
I misunderstood you :) Vipermagi is (as usual) right :)
Frankenberry#0590 님이 2016. 3. 8. 오전 9:52:13에 마지막으로 편집
@Neversink I dropped by your stream yesterday asking about Shadows and Dust, thanks for the recommendation. So much fun. Originally mediocre rolls, so add in a lucky divine a bit later and couldn't be happier. Perandus League best league :)



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Seufari 님이 작성:
I just picked up +1 chain on my TS Dead Eye. It is VERY powerful. Its not the original projectiles that chain. Its the projectiles from the arrow "explosions."

There are better options if your going for Drillneck + Pierce, but I am VERY happy with +Chain thus far.

This. It feels so good. I was originally planning on respeccing to LA/BR down the road, but now I'm not so sure
here
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NeverSink 님이 작성:



and here
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NeverSink 님이 작성:






You wrote links with LA as the first gem despite those images showing different skills.

Is this an error or do I don't understand something?

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