[3.0] NeverSink's ♣ INDEPTH Tornado&Archer Guide ♣ Beginner friendly ♣ Rapid clear ♣ All bosses

No on rider tree but regular one. Sorry mate for my english. On ur old character u used frenzy charge and frezy attack or blood rage. Neversink bless bless it in guide. So im curious should i use or just leave this mechanic.thx
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Xball7 님이 작성:
No on rider tree but regular one. Sorry mate for my english. On ur old character u used frenzy charge and frezy attack or blood rage. Neversink bless bless it in guide. So im curious should i use or just leave this mechanic.thx

So again it's all up to you to decide. Frenzy charges in the tree is not an obligatory for the build. You can spare points and use them elsewhere in the tree.
I'm following this aside from the ascendancy, I got a choice between Quartz Infusion (evade) or Avatar of the Chase (onslaught). Which would probably be best to pick?
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ZerotuL 님이 작성:
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Ice Shot converts 60% to cold, Blast Rain 50% to fire, and Signal Fire 50%. So PtL is not really going to work here.

That's why nobody plays IS and BR in endgame. IS lacks initial pierce, off-screen clearing and solo target multi-projectile hit. Blast rain has an unplesant delay and although Blast Rain does not fire projectiles (and therefore cannot benefit from projectile effects such as chaining and additional projectiles)


Since I'm playing (or have been playing ;) ) an Ice Shot build this league I wanted to add something to this post. Imo Ice shot is really amazing for Aoe clearing - even without the jewels. With the jewels or something like the deadeye Aoe-node the clearspeed gets insane. By applying the "chilled" status ailment on all the trash mobs you gain a lot of safety as well.

The BIG downside however - as you pointed out - is the conversion part and with it the single target damage. With the 2x20% nodes Ice shot can be converted to 100% cold and scaled via the usual cold pen / wed / oak flask. However...the single target (Barrage/Blast rain) can not. Since the penetration via elemental weakness+blasphemy is not enough (curse effect reduction in boss fights), the only remaining way to convert the damage would be the hrimburn gloves (50% phys->cold) which aren't really ...great.

TLDR: you are left with a main attack with really bad single target, and the choice between non-scalable Blast Rain and scalable Barrage, where you need dying sun and enchant/+1 drillneck to do damage [Reach nerf].
Why not use something with good single target scaling as our main attack [TS] instead!?

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_Saranghaeyo_ 님이 작성:
I mean Meeki isn't wrong. I've had these criticisms ever since my return during Perandus. And Zero, accuracy is actually fairly important, I don't really know why that was cherry picked out of all that he said.

The Lioneye Fall thing confuses me a lot because the only tree in the guide (besides the half baked "CI" tree) makes it seem like that is the optimal way of doing things, and tells people at the beginning of the league to go buy a jewel worth 1.5 ex. Ofc the price was not known at the time but reminder last time it was hyped this much in Prophecy the Jewel took the same price pattern. What happened to the old school tree I have no idea.

In a guide where the only gem link available is PTL-WED shoved down your throat he makes exactly one reference to Vinktar. The meta is Vinktar. The meta is Signal Fire. If you go bow build that is your salvation atm. If you go in without Vinktar you will, at some point, die to reflect. You will, at some point, die from lack of ability to offset damages with insane leech. And it's neither an in-depth analysis nor beginner friendly to withhold this information from readers.

About endgame I rarely see people in this thread do anything like Temple/Uber/Shaper and that is consistent with my testing. Most are stuck around high yellow or low red, I suppose for a few veteran like myself getting to the T14/15/16 level is not that bad in temp leagues, but we changed a lot of our ideologies. Follow a tree like this, with gear like this, you aren't gonna get as far as you think.

About "rapid clear," I don't even advertise my own build like that and no bow build should these days. You will never outrun or outclear a Whirling Blade/Shield Charge build no offense. Good to dream but it's not gonna happen. Clear speed is 3/5 at best and I rate that for all bow build including my own.


Tbh this can't be stated often enough. (phys) bow builds just aren't beginner-friendly [esp after the ROtC was nerfed - for whatever reason]. They offer a decent enough playstyle but are just way inferior compared to almost everything - if set a limit of 1-3 Ex. Imo something like flameblast totems with 20c investment should outperform this build with 2-3 Ex in, even if you remove things like frenzy charges / phase acro. With 10 - tbh rather 20+ Ex in, it's a different story, because of the flask-friendliness and scaling of bow builds.


P.S. my suggestion for the most "beginner-friendly" version of would be a poison/bleed assassin build with death opus as a starting bow and belly of the beast as the chest. Not really the most original setup - but it offers some single target dmg, an ok life pool, crit chance, power charge generation and some flexibility with the skill tree (phys or chaos dmg scaling possible).
^That pretty much sums thing up for that build.

Im 70 lvl ranger and I made mistake by taking that build as starter in league. Jeeez, this thing is terrible without currency. Also, build is poorly written and wasnt updatet from long time, since OP is a... Since OP is doing filters and other important stuff, so kudos to him.
Since I really can't navigate through 800+ pages is there a link to passive skill tree leveling path?

I can't find it in the main post :(
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Aziello 님이 작성:
^That pretty much sums thing up for that build.

Im 70 lvl ranger and I made mistake by taking that build as starter in league. Jeeez, this thing is terrible without currency. Also, build is poorly written and wasnt updatet from long time, since OP is a... Since OP is doing filters and other important stuff, so kudos to him.

I dunno, I started the Legacy league with this build, and now I'm level 72, and I feel pretty comfortable in mid-merciless. I'm using the Tornado Shot variaton of the build, but I went with Deadeye 'cause I like glass cannons :) Works well enough for me. The biggest currency investment I've made so far was 18c for Lioneye's Fall. And my most expensive piece of gear is a 5-link triple res +life chest which I bought for 10c, so I'm not even running end-game gear yet.
Fuck master rotas. Fuck any kind of rotas, for that matter.
DGTLDaemon#6150 님이 2017. 3. 19. 오후 12:11:17에 마지막으로 편집

what is "conc"?
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Bucnep90 님이 작성:

what is "conc"?

Concentrated effect-NS made a mistake.

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